Copper
- Subscribers become responsible for supplying, maintaining and replacing their own Customer Premises Equipment, unlike the other 3 networks. There will be significant additional out-of-pocket expenses for DSL/FTTN subscribers.
- DSL/FTTN transfers extra costs to subscribers, these aren't included in the Coalition NBN Plan.
- The whole project cost, including additional costs forced on DSL subscribers that Fibre, Wireless and Satellite subscribers do not pay, is not included by the Coalition.
- No "identical service" option. under DSL/FTTN service: No standard Network Termination Device, NTD, option.
- No pure-digital service is offered like the other 3 networks
- No 4 data-port option is offered, like Fibre and Wireless.
- At retail pricing, these would cost $500-$1,000.
- Modern data networks are designed to be centrally monitored, managed and provisioned.
- All network devices are under administrative control of network owner, and only them.
- Firmware updates are remotely controlled.
- Local users have no administrative control of their local device.
- The Network Operations Centre, NOC, can remotely test, manage, monitor and control every device in the chain up from the User Premises.
- This includes remote tests of customer "local loop" for troubleshooting and diagnosis.
- This is not possible in a "Bring Your Own Device" network.
- modem costs over 10 years are high, around $500.
- $150+ to buy a modem retail, not $50 as repeatedly claimed by Coalition.
- These are domestic grade electronics, built down to a price.
- Subscribers will replace their modem every 4 years:
- over 10 years, need 3 new modems.
- some subscribers will suffer much more frequent modem failures.
- central splitter install is direct out-of-pocket expense to subscriber, around $300.
- Filters are required for all DSL services.
- All non-DSL equipment needs to have a filter fitted or else it will short out the high-frequency DSL signal.
- DIY in-line filters on every device/phone-point are usual today, but may not be considered by NBN Co as desirable.
- Central Splitters are the most desirable solution for a large-scale network provider. They can't be accidentally removed or bypassed and just one device makes the network safe for DSL.
- Each DSL standard operates at different frequencies. For best performance, a specific filter is required. While your ADSL1 or ADSL2 filters may allow a signal, they aren't designed for VDSL2 and cannot be optimal.
- ADSL1 worked on 1.1 Mhz
- ADSL2 on 2.2 MHz
- VDSL2 works on 17Mhz or 30Mhz.
- based on Telstra technician charges, will cost $300-$400 to install a Central Splitter on the Telco line before your first phone point, the network boundary.
- fibre can be automatically tested remotely (see standard NTD above)
- The NTD's for the Fibre/Wireless/Satellite are fully remotely managed and integrated into the NBN Co Network Operations and Provisioning systems.
- DIY VDSL2 modems will not be.
- Fibre more reliable than copper.
- newer technology
- not yet near theoretical or practical limits.
- Current production volume speeds of 100Gbps times 32 with DWDM (multi-colour)
- "born digital" not a hack.
- newer network, fewer age related faults
- no corrosion and insulation break-down problems.
- Fibre does have own problems. Glass is fragile and must be properly installed.
- no lightning and current surge problems from line. Electricity supply needs suppressors on all networks.
- copper faults can be intermittent because of high resistance joints and "copper oxide diodes" that persist without "whetting current" from 50V DC phone.
- the maintenance cost saving would pay for the NBN after floods rain.
- lost sales due to more cash needed to maintain the copper.
- Nodes batteries power supply: regular replacement & disposal of lead.
- With 68,000 nodes, replacing & recycling their 8*6V batteries will be a large job with a lot of toxic (lead) and corrosive (sulphuric acid) waste to deal with.
- OH&S issues, not unlike Fibro-Asbestos pits.
Services & Features
- 4 data services per NTD:
- Work network, boarder, flatmates or adult kids pay own way.
- Households can receive multicast and On-demand TV over a specific connection.
- Higher speeds at lower cost for multicast.
- Much more secure network, isolated and controlled network for TV's & PVR's means better services, less hacking.
- Detailed data on household and per-device watching patterns available to
- get exactly what you pay for, speed wise
- User can choose a speed that suits them.
- If the Fibre works at all, every connection is guaranteed to have full range of advertised speeds.
- high end subscribers subsidise low-end subscribers, massively.
- Physically, all Fibre NBN services are identical, but unlike VDSL/FTTN, the line access rate can be selected by the user.
- People who choose a lower line 'speed' pay less, even though it costs NBN Co exactly the same to run the service.
- Higher access rates directly subsidise entry-level users.
- Subsidies are more than just line speed, data volume as well.
- Download charges will halve every 3 years under the current Plan. More likely much faster.
Economics and Productivity Growth
- The 5-tier charging scheme for customer services, based on speed, when all services are physically identical and cost NBN Co identically to install, service and manage.
- This multiple charges for same service, reduces "Consumer Surplus" and increases the profits of the producer, NBN Co. This single capability massively improves profitability and economic sustainability.
- This is a massive financial effect that is not available with VDSL/FTTN solution.
- The Coalition admits their DSL/FTTN network is temporary, they are building it to throw away.
- What's the Network lifetime? 10 and 15 years have been alluded to.
- How much will be saved by deferring the build? very little: at most $150 in today's terms.
- 90-95% of Fibre network build costs are related to Labour, Parts and Equipment.
- Only 5-10% of Fibre network build costs, can reduce in price.
- Fibre cable in bulk is already cheap: $2/m or $25/premise.
- Who will pay for the upgrade in 10-15 years?
- Unknown and unspecified.
- How will it be funded?
- Unknown and unspecified.
- Will the DSL/FTTN network have paid for itself in 10-15 years?
- The Copper network and in-field active electronics have much higher maintenance and replacement/upgrade costs than Fibre.
- As an inferior service, DSL/FTTN can only be charged at a single, low-rate.
- Their is no growth path for DSL/FTTN after installation. Every user will be locked-in no matter how their needs change.
- With low revenues and high costs and no upgrades possible, the DSL/FTTN network is much less profitable than Fibre.
- To even pay for itself, let alone make a return on investment over 10-15 years is unlikely.
- Fibre will guarantee the same link speeds anywhere there is a connection.
- VDSL2 can't make any link speed guarantees.
- Fibre has 80-times upload speed compared to VDSL2. [1000/400 vs 25/5]
- Fibre has an 80-fold download speed range offered now(12Mbps to 1000Mbps], and able to be increased many-fold with current, production hardware.
- VDSL2 may reach 100Mbps with vectoring to a small proportion of subscribers. Nobody is talking of going to higher speeds.
- country people are being subsidised by those in the city.
- The biggest winners for full direct Fibre are country people.
- They get access to a cheap, affordable technology that eliminates geographical barriers for many applications.
- Equality of access and Universal availability are cornerstones of the economic and social benefits of the NBN.
- the NBN project is NOT funded from Taxes in the budget.
- NBN Co is an investment that will pay for itself, given time.
- The government is borrowing money at 3%.
- The real cost to taxpayers is the interest payments, up until NBN Co starts to make a profit.
- Massive opportunity cost of not deploying Fibre now, when we can afford it.
- Australia will eventually need a full direct Fibre Telecomms infrastructure.
- Right now, we can go there and start to accrue all the economic benefits.
- The economic benefits of Fast Broadband build over time, due to the nature of Metcalfe's Law and the Network Effect.
- Start earlier, see results compound faster.
- lead the world now.
- As the Coalition is very quick to point out, "Nobody else in the world is doing this!".
- Which is exactly why Australia should be rolling out dependable, upgradeable, guaranteed fast broadband everywhere.
- Countries have just two economic factors to make them competitive:
- exchange-rate: this is beyond our control with a floating dollar. We don't have the market clout to fix our rate artificially low like China.
- Productivity: Computers plus Broadband are the single most powerful tool to increase Labour and Multi-Factor Productivity.
Voice, VoIP and costs
- VoIP allows ordinary residential users lowest charges possible and all the features business PABX users have had available.
- video calling finally becomes cheap and ubiquitous, even if not via the same phone number.
- HiDef video calls enable
- high-fidelity voice calls, in stereo or more channels, are possible right now over RTSP (real time streaming protocol).
- This creates whole new, useful applications. Not just for hearing impaired.
- no line rental, $31.95 per month saving
- Access charges still apply, not called "line rental"
- Telcos will not make less money:
- lower DSL/FTTN revenues from multiple line speed & download volumes will require significantly higher charges to customers.
- no STD charges and no flagfall
- VoIP call costs are based in data volume: incredibly small compared to video, images and normal web traffic
- conference calls, transfers, voice mail, call-hold, etc, etc
- all calls between subscribers on VoIP plans, same provider, are FREE
- overseas calls 1.9 cents no flagfall to 80 countries
- every family member or ,flatmate can have own "phone number/account
- educational benefit - learn to budget - kids paying their own accounts [joke]
Costs
- 1 $billion maintenance of Telstra Copper network: saving $6.94/month. Not a confirmed figure.
- "Fibre is 1/3 maintenance cost of Copper" [no source]
- 2/3 saving = $4.625/month for fibre
- Australians spend much more $1,000 per household per year on Telecommunications now.
- At under $350 per household extra for full direct Fibre, the capital investment difference is inconsequential.
Environment/Climate Change
- "power saving 2 power stations." [I don't think that this line of argument is winnable, but its been raised].
- Green Effect of FTTH/FTTB Networks, 2010. [PDF] Update 7-Jul-13
- FTTH (GPON) consumes 13% less energy compared to FTTN/VDSL scenario.
- For 1 million subscribers, operators could save ~35.5 GWh of electricity and about $3.66 million in energy cost per year with a GPON-based network vs. a FTTN/VDSL2 network.
- 35.5 GWh/yr is 4MW continuous.
- For Australia ~10M subs, 40MW. Not "a power station".
- Good detailed analysis. Recommended.
- See also http://www.ftthcouncilap.org/
- Too complex to go there, an unwinnable argument.
- Accurately measuring the additional power needed by the DSL/FTTN network is difficult.
- Pricing that power, on top of other maintenance and install costs is hard.
- The consequential effects of additional in-home high-bandwidth devices by Fibre subscribers will drown out DSL effects.
- This is the nub of the question:
- Will the additional economic activity from sales of super-high-def TV's and content for them, enabled by direct Fibre but not DSL/FTTN, be significant?
Uncategorised.
- difference in labour, fibre versus cabinets (nodes):
- All line maintenance requires a "truck-roll" to a node, rather than "all here in the exchange building".
- The amount of additional travel time alone will double or treble DSL/FTTN maintenance costs.
- Technicians have much worse working conditions with nodes.
- There are many more OH&S issues, working outdoors without shelter with live equipment.
- The electrical equipment in the nodes will have a much reduced life from the environmental stresses.
- For every 5-degree temperature rise, the service life of transistors is halved.
- 100,000s businesses, schools, govt departments, universities using and paying for the NBN as well.
- Residential customers are not the primary beneficiaries of the NBN speed advantages and lower volume charges.
- Other customers, just like in the current Telco networks, will contribute as much or more revenue to NBN Co.
- All these other users reduce charges for residential users by providing additional income to defray expenses.
Steve, this might be one of the key posts for consumers. You touch most of the relevant points. But it needs clarifying at places, as I was confused even reading carefully.
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