tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post2350033019141705493..comments2014-04-12T14:49:58.988+10:00Comments on SteveJ on Broadband: pre-election NBN posts: NBN: Issues with Copper vs Fibre comments and claims.steve jenkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16064724730975745470noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post-8919297142527512212013-07-26T10:14:45.770+10:002013-07-26T10:14:45.770+10:00Thank you Steve, keep them honest.Thank you Steve, keep them honest.Andrew Serokahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11521715606857211389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post-83641577135285800922013-07-26T09:40:09.293+10:002013-07-26T09:40:09.293+10:00Hi Seven,You're not the only one seeing it, be...Hi Seven,<br>You're not the only one seeing it, be assured of that. <br>More than anything I think it shows the influence of the Coalition's (Turnbull in particular) media barrage in bringing the argument down to being purely about the rolllout schedule. People in general are very influenced by the media cycle, whether they admit it or not. People like you and Steve are able to see the facts clearly, and remain clear through the created 'fog'. FTTP/H is a long term plan involving a massive infrastructure (Australia's biggest) which takes dedication to follow through to give a quality product. <br>The problem with statements in articles like Renai's is the true position, even of the overseas FTTN projects, is that it fuels the negative fire by not clarifying the real situations there. *frustrated thrown hands in the air* is exactly what those against the Labor NBN are trying to create. It is actually performing within specifications, however this is blatantly trying to be obscured. it is the only 'argument' against the very high speed, reliable and ubiquitous benefits FTTH/P is offering.<br><br>Keep steering the good course Seven. More people are behind this line of thought, and that means behind you and what you are expressing, than you realise.<br>Cheers for the indepth and well thought out reply,<br>DocDoc lachhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10957569422156659746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post-1600452245287090312013-07-26T00:08:33.713+10:002013-07-26T00:08:33.713+10:00thanks.thanks.Steve Jenkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16064724730975745470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post-2517291427028864102013-07-25T22:55:34.740+10:002013-07-25T22:55:34.740+10:00Well researched and informed article. fttp should ...Well researched and informed article. fttp should be the only focus of a project of the scale of the nbn.Michael Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00457775722036293069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777177917540226839.post-48405815577817460792013-07-25T22:54:28.970+10:002013-07-25T22:54:28.970+10:00I had, as you probably saw Steve (@7seven_tech), a...I had, as you probably saw Steve (@7seven_tech), an interesting discussion with Renai on Twitter.<br><br>It appears to me that there are 2 competing and completely opposite points of view here:<br><br>1- The NBN, while behind schedule and facing problems with contractors (will having not spent their contingency mind you)and PR, is beginning to achieve its' goals of providing 93% of the population with FTTH, 4% with Fixed Wireless and 3% with satellite by 2021. It has been slow to start and could have made some better decisions, but with an average daily run rate now over 1000 premises a day, up from under 400 in March, it is clear they are realising their ramp up to full commercial rollout.<br><br>2- NBNCo. are failing because they have missed every goal they originally set (ignoring changes in scope), they are behind schedule and there is not enough labour available for them to ever achieve what they need to achieve in the 10 year rollout schedule or within budget (ignoring the contingency). End of story.<br><br>Position 1 tends to get taken by those who aren't directly involved in the commercial industry (that is who don't get paid to make design, business or economic decisions or analyses for ISPs).<br><br>Position 2 tends to get taken more disturbingly, by those directly employed or paid by the industry.<br><br>It almost appears as though the industry is saying "because this isn't happening exactly to plan it should be dumped and we should get our way like we didn't the first time". See Simon Hackett's recent ideas about "NBN rollout streamlining and cost optimisation" Most of the ideas would save NBNCo. very little money, but produce a result that keeps the industry ahead of where it is now (not consumers, literally ISPs commercially ahead) such as the lowering of CVC costs, the lowering of AVC costs and the removal of CVC Traffic Classes. They are ideological ONLY, not realistic ideas for a project so far in to its' ramp up or in requirements for ROI to stay an investment of government. I believe Hackett knows this. I don't know why he wants to shake the tree....although if it gets politicians attention, in the right way, it might actually make them look at ACTUAL ways to optimise the rollout, instead of bleating "But FTTP/FTTN is better" over and over.<br><br>I think Renai, after talking with much of the industry, has begun to see their side, rightly or wrongly. He appears to be beginning to think non-incumbent rollouts like this are impossible....but the only evidence he has for this is incumbents have successfully rolled out FTTN or FTTP overseas, which is true....but there are no non-incumbent government funded telco's other than NBNCo....so there's no evidence on the negative side??<br><br>I just can't see what has changed so much in 6 months, when NBNCo. ARE actually producing real rollout numbers, to change his mind like this? Yes, there were genuinely worrying questions about transparency over the March rollout number changes (from my "between the lines" reading, I think Quigley got zipped by Conroy until it was unstoppable and possibly even contributed to his likely telling the board in March he was going to leave after June targets). And yes, NBNCo. have had very bad PR since then over a number of issues, several of which they'd already dealt with (like asbestos). But it is actually performing within specifications, if slowly, now. Why the sudden metaphorical *frustrated thrown hands in the air* all of a sudden??<br><br>Why am I the only one who sees this between Renai and I? Sure, I don't want FTTN, but hey, if I actually thought the Coalition could pull it off, I'd be like "go ahead, waste the money, at least we'll get some improvement" They can't pull it off though. Renai at least agrees on that. But I just don't understand why now, just as it's getting somewhere, he thinks the current NBN is impossible all of a sudden...?Seven_techhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08158193106040915571noreply@blogger.com